J: You're listening to the Vibrant Happy Women podcast, episode number 43.
K: So I very much struggle with loneliness because like my fuel tank requires people, a new stimulation and interaction. And when you live where I do, you have to learn to seek that. So once I became self-aware enough to recognize that my heart needs to be filled with people and filled with interaction and I need new stimulation, I found ways to fuel that without feeling like I'm a bad person because I require that.
Intro: Welcome to the Vibrant Happy Women podcast, stories of vibrant women living happy lives. And now, your host, Jen Riday.
J: Hey there, Jen here, and welcome to Vibrant Happy Women; I am so glad you're here. And on our last episode, I chatted with Kate Bee, all about how she is living an alcohol free life. She loves and sharing her tips with others. She had some great insight about how we often fill a void in our hearts with things like alcohol or sugar or other addictions, when in actuality, we can fix things simply by jumping into forming deeper human connections. So she had some great insight, and if you haven't listened to that already, go back and do so. Today, I'll be talking with Katie Dilse, a mom of 4 boys who lives in a very remote area of North Dakota. She's a farmer and she's high-energy and amazing. Katie shared how she has learned to cope with the isolation of where she lives by being a friend and refueling herself by fulfilling another's heart. So if you'd like to learn how to be a better friend, you'll love this episode. So let's go ahead and jump in.
Welcome to Vibrant Happy Women. I'm Dr. Jen Riday and today I'll be talking with Katie Dilse and she is feisty and spontaneous and loves to laugh. She's a business owner, wife of nearly 20 years, mom of 4 boys, farmer, and Big Rig driver. Katie inspires audiences around the nation with her heart-to-heart presentations focused on making the most of balancing the demands of work, the tugs on personal life, and community obligations. Katie was listed as one of the top 40 under 40 business leaders in the Midwest. She lives in North Dakota with her husband, Stewart, and their 4 boys. Welcome to the show, Katie.
K: Oh, so delightful to be with you, Jen. Thank you!
J: I'm so glad you're here and I can't wait to hear the quote you want to share with us today.
K: Oh, and I was trying to think of like my motto and recently it changed. I used to always go like, “Dream big,” like, “Just dream big. Whatever you put your heart, your mind to, Kate, you can do that.” But when the bottom falls out or we get redirected in life, I really found much more push and comfort and inspiration and just recognizing that I am good enough because I'm the daughter of a king and I can really do his work that he sets me and puts in my heart.
J: Okay. So that King, being God, of course, and I love that.
K: Of course.
J: So how has that quote guided your life?
K: I have a difficult time with accepting who I am, whether with all of my weaknesses, I am very self-critical.
K: So if I can… and… and I struggle with having to do it just awesome, like totally, totally, top-rate awesome, but when I don't hit that and it's just good enough, I need to be so okay with that because I am the daughter of a king. So that doesn't mean I'm going to get a standing ovation every time I speak or that doesn't mean we're not going to have big misfits in our family life, it's just that, “You know what? I'm good enough. I'm the daughter of a king and he gave me these gifts and I'm going to use them to the best of my ability. And I'm not doing it to be full of pride or arrogance or to have the spotlight on me, I'm doing it because he gave me a whole lot of gifts and my job is to just use them.”
J: I love that. And then you can go through life believing you're royalty if you use that analogy, so that should help.
K: Yeah, that would help! Yeah, there’s a lot of pressure we put on ourselves to… to just do our best.
J: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Well, tell us about your low point in life, Katie.
K: Yeah, angel, you have taken me back 20 years. And you know what? If I could only have a low point in every 20 years, that would be so good. Okay, I really want to talk about that low point of 20 years ago when I was in college at the prime of my life and really gearing up and active on campus and doing all these things. And when everybody else was going to college Spring Break in some exotic place, I decided to go home and I spent a week with my mom and dad and brother and sister and even had a mother-daughter day and… and enjoyed a Spring Break in North Dakota that was gorgeous weather, which is… I’m not always…
J: Spring Break in North Dakota; I love it. (Laughs)
K: I know! Like who was doing that? Everybody was going to Mexico and everybody was coming back with these braids and these amazing tans. Well, I came back with a really full heart because, as 1 of 6 kids, for us to have time like 1-on-1 time with our parents, that always did not happy as a busy, busy farm family. But my mom and I had intentionally spent a day together and we had a mother-daughter day. And then I returned to college to finish those last weeks of spring semester and my mom, and dad at the same time flew to Rome, Italy to spend a 7 day pilgrimage. And this was something that they rarely left us kids and it's something that they took very seriously and had done a lot of preparation for. And I remember all those days when mom and dad were abroad, and I had actually spent the night at my girlfriend's house and her mom recently told me that I pulled her aside and asked to make a long-distance phone call because the next morning, my mom was going to leave to Rome, and I just wanted to be able to talk to mom and dad before they left.
K: And that struck a chord with this woman. And then the Saturday night, I had gone to a fraternity party, I was a guest of their annual big Founders Day and it was this great big party and dance, and something was not right in in my gut. And I didn't sleep well that night and I went to Mass the next morning, and I just had a whole lot of fear and crying, and I remember just crying in the pew but not knowing why.
K: And I got home and within 10 minutes, my oldest brother had called to tell us… to tell me that my mom had a heart attack, and I just remember not quite understanding it all and I think I hung up the phone, and it didn't hit me that my mom had actually died, I just thought she had a heart attack. And I slammed down the phone and my brother called back to say that she had had died in Rome, Italy. And it was a time where it was the weather had drastically changed and all of us 6 kids were in 4 different places in 4 different States and weather prevented all of us from traveling so we had to stay for 3 days, trying to soak in this shock of no longer having a mom and wondering if we'll ever even get to have a closure with her, being her body was across the world, and, “Why did that all… why was that all happening and was it really happening?” And it was 4 days after she died before all of us could get in one place. And I remember my dad walking into our… our house like it was yesterday and we had this big old German table where we sat and ate like pigs all the time.
K: And we had conversations and we all had our spot at the table and we all sat down at the table and mom's spot was empty. And the first thing dad did was apologize for not bringing mom home.
K: And I just remember how much my mom and dad loved each other and how beautiful it was to see my dad, but how much pain it was to have mom's spots empty and how much that hurt him. And it was many days after her death, like I said, like 4 days before dad came home on this airplane and there was one seat empty on that huge jet and it was mom's.
J: (Gasps) Ugh.
K: Because… yeah, because mom came home in a casket. And we had to struggle with customs and language barriers and all of that to make sure that mom died of natural causes. So from the time that she died until was home in America was 7 days, and that was a very long time to wait and to wonder if that was going to be okay. And I remember laying there and actually sitting next to her, laying in that stupid European casket that was so different and everything were used to, you know, and she was only 56 years old, and how everybody needs a mom. Like, “How can you live your life without a mom?” that just did not even seem possible and no one should die on vacation. And I remember looking at my little brother who hadn't been hit puberty yet and he's decked in this stupid royal blue suit and my sister going through high school years and how would… she was super, super close to mom, “How would she ever live without mom?” and my brother not crying and my other brother and sister and my dad alone. And I remember this church being overflowing with people, with hundreds and hundreds of people who were devastated and wanted to show their love for not being able to say goodbye and just not… not having mom for the rest of your life.
J: So it was devastating and you had the funeral and you buried her, how did you go forward after that?
K: So I actually quit college and came home to take care of my little brother and sister and then quickly got back into college as my professors found out why I wanted to quit and not go back, and they were very, very lenient to allow me to come back. So I went back to college, finished my semester and then moved home to take care of family and try to do things that mom once did because mom and dad were farm family and they did everything together. So I was there to help take care of my little brother and sister and make meals and do farm work and do everything that mom always did. And I just remember being so lost without her.
J: So you're… you're completely emotionally traumatized and everything has changed, what helps you to go forward emotionally and not completely lose it? How can you function and keep trying to do the things your mom had done?
K: I don't know how we do that; how we did that without the support of our neighbors and the support of our friends and our family. And I think us brothers and sisters completely relied on each other and pulled together. And I personally pulled myself into faith and knowing that mom was not in pain, mom was not in a bad place, mom was in heaven, and that's what she lived her life to be. And there was no doubt that that's where she was, it's just that we had to rely on each other and… and rely on friends who carried us because it's really even hard to remember that first year or 2 after she died; it was… it's very, very blurry.
J: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, you were in a fog. Well, what… was there anything you learned during this experience, from this experience; anything positive that came out of it?
K: Mm, from… like from her actual death time or from losing a mom, period?
J: From the experience of the struggle. I think every time anyone struggles, there's something they gained; some insight about life or something that they learn about themselves. So what was something you might have learned from this time?
K: I've learned to lean on my brothers and sisters and that we are each other; we are there for each other and that God will not abandon us. We felt abandoned that God took Mom, but that is not at all what it was. God actually replaced her love through a deeper love for us to be united to him and realized that mom was a blessing to us on earth, but there's so much that she can do from heaven for all of us.
J: Yeah. So moving forward, you went back to college, your siblings were raised, and then did you go back and finish college or had you already finished after that one semester?
K: I went back and I finished college. In fact, going into that senior year, I… I was up for homecoming queen of NDSU. And I remember walking into this interview room like, “I don't even want to be here,” and I remember my mother, literally in her spirit, walked into that room with me and carrying me through that interview. And at that interview, during that day, I met my future husband.
K: And we fell in love and got married about a year and a half after we met, that next fall or that fall after mom had passed away. So, yeah, and… and fell in love and raised a family.
J: Mm-hmm, and now 4 boys later, what's that like to raise 4 boys? (Laughs)
K: Oh my stars! (Laughs). Do you want to know the drills? It's crazy!
K: Like, I am not a (Laughs)… I'm not a super organized person at all; I'm very, very spontaneous, and obviously, I've taught my children to be spontaneous. And it's wild, it's always an adventure. It's rough, it's rowdy, it's… it's full of activity; like, we don't sit. Like, I remember trying to think of things to get our kids to sit, but…
K: … we work hard to like instill teamwork in our kids so that they learn to work together as brothers and recognize their strengths and learn to understand that they have weaknesses that are okay.
J: Mm-hmm. And are they farming with you as well?
K: Yes. So my husband and I farm together and we're teaching… like my official title is to train the 4 future farm managers. Because we never know who's going to come back and farm, if any of them will, but we want to make sure that the 4 of them can work together, because many times in farm families, there's a problem with just people learning to work together; so we're instilling a lot of that right now. We're actually… our kids own a pumpkin patch where they do all the work that they need to do and they plant and weed and water and till and grow and rotate pumpkins, and then eventually invite like 500 people out to our farm in the middle of nowhere. And people come out and pick pumpkins and they create opportunity to serve the public. But the biggest thing was, I was tired and sick of having them wanting to do things that weren't active, and we twisted that into something that allowed them to work together and learn and grow all these life lessons that are pretty insane, the things that they've had to deal with this young kids already and dealing with customer service and the public. It's been a great opportunity for them to grow and work together.
J:That is a great opportunity.
J: And do they go to school during the day and then they come home and work on the pumpkins in the afternoons and evenings?
K: Yes. So we from a super, super small school so the boys… actually, they have like 10 to 15 kids in their class.
K: And so… yeah, it's really small. So with that, they actually are involved in almost every sport that our school offers and in most of the clubs that the school offers because we want to make sure we have a lot of opportunities, but if you have those opportunities, that means everybody needs to participate.
K: So they're very, very active after school. Like, rarely will we get to sit down and have a meal until 7:30 or 8 o'clock at night.
J: Oh boy. And how far is the school from your farm?
K: So the school itself is 10 miles, but we have a co-op for most of our athletics with the school that's 45 miles away.
J: Ooh. (Laughs)
K: So sometimes… yes, a home baseball game is a 45 mile one-way drive. Now, that drive stinks for going there, but it also stinks because that's where a hospital is so that's how far you have to drive to deliver your baby.
J: Wow, ugh!
K: Yeah, I know.
J: That’s a long drive in labor. (Laughs)
K: Yes. (Laughs)
J: So… so they're busy with pumpkins and sports and you eat late, and then what do you do on your weekends? What kind of farm tasks do your boys get to help with?
K: Oh, my boys are… we're so.. there's always a project going on. As far as working on the farm, the 3 oldest ones drive tractor; they can drive semi, they can help move grain, they can clean grain bins, they can sweep buildings. But we also have a lot of fun in the shop where all that happens. So we have drift cars, we have a basketball hoop, we have hover boards, we have scooters, like anything to get them active and… and moving and working together. But they have a lot of responsibilities, but we also… my husband is a big old toy. He like… he loves to play and we play a lot of board games. We play poker at breakfast; that's our routine.
J: I love it!
J: So, you know what? You know what you're doing here? You're painting a picture of the ideal life for kids because…
K: (Laughs) Oh.
J: … let's talk about… let's talk about screen times, computers and TVs your kids, do any of that or you're able to keep them busy with other stuff?
K: I wish I could completely keep them busy; I so wish. We just limit it. In fact, like when we're in the vehicle, if… unless we're going more than an hour, they don't need a screen. So we'll listen to music or we'll talk or whatever and that… that goes for like orthodontist visits and sometimes I'm the community car pool for that.
K: And they know like, you don't even bring the screens in; like, we're not going to use any devices. And that takes a lot so that it's not only affecting our kids, but the neighbor kids also know that, “Hey, Kate, doesn't do this so just leave it at home.”
K: And some of those kids that have graduated, they've come back and said how much they appreciated that I did that tough love with them, even that… that they weren't my own children, I still instilled those same morals and guidelines when their friends are with us. And I hope that doesn't make any other parent offensive, I just know it's the only way I can corral these wild boys that we're trying to train.
J: Yeah, right, right. And with only 15 kids per class, you probably know all those kids so well, you're really a big machine lives.
J: That's so neat. And how far is the…
J: … orthodontist when you're doing those drives? Is it also 45 minutes?
K: That’s… nope, that's a 60 mile trip usually, but every 3 months, it's… I mean that's a 60 mile one-way trip; so 120 miles. And then every 3 months, we have to go about 350 miles round-trip.
J: (Gasps) And why is that?
K: I know!
J: What's happening every 3 months?
K: That's like the big office where like somebody… if we need to have a bracket put back on their braces or whatever we have to do, that's like the big town, that's the capital; that's Bismarck.
J: Wow! So that's why you… you’re driving other kids with you. (Laughs)
K: Yeah, exactly. (Laughs)
J: Oh, I love it!
J: You guys are amazing. I grew up in a farm, but not quite as remote as where you are so I admire what you are doing; this is great.
K: Oh, we're very remote.
J: Well, Katie, tell us more about something that's exciting you about your life today.
K: You know, when… I just can't tell you how excited I am for our gingerbread party, which is kind of nerdy, but we spend months preparing for this. And I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but this is totally on our mind right now.
K: And with that, we bring 7 families together into our home and we put 7 tables into our dining room. And my husband and our kids and I spend 3 days prior gingerbread party making dough for 7 different houses and baking the dough and cutting out the dough and getting it all ready. And every year, those 7 families come and we have a different theme. So some years, we’ll make castles, and some years, we’ll make houses or stables or churches, whatever, but they're usually like 2 feet tall and 2 feet wide-ish.
J: Ooh. (Laughs)
K: And all the families work together at 1 table, they sit together as a table and they work together to build the house and decorate the house, and then they take that house home. And that's how we kick off Advent every year. So it's like one of our very, very, very favorite family traditions, so that has us super excited and working late nights to make the dough because this year, we… we do it like in a line and everybody goes in turn and they have their jobs. Well, somehow, all the soda, the baking soda, was forgotten and somehow, the brown sugar was forgotten in this year's dough.
K: Which like 14 batches of dough. And instead of calling it a wreck, I'm like, “I'm going to Google this,” and it ended up that I could add like 1/2 a cup of coffee to each dough and the cookies turned out great.
J: Oh, good. (Laughs)
J: What a fun tradition; I love this. Well, now you have me intrigued. Tell me about a couple of your other favorite traditions that you might do throughout the year; because I bet they're amazing.
K: Oh, we do some special things. At fireworks around the 4th of July, we have… like, you can't just go and show up at a fireworks. You know, like we don't have big blast-offs art like next door, so many times, us farmers will get together and we'll buy a bunch of fireworks.
K: And we'll light it off on hill and then you can watch the big show in each other's house because you can see for miles and miles where we live, yeah. We also have a tradition of a piano teacher and actually, in the last year and a half, I haven't been able to teach piano because my speaking schedule has increased so much. But with that, we had this really super fun tradition where I would bring 7 keyboards or pianos into our house and all the kids, all of my 15 to 20 students, would play the exact same song at the same time…
K: … and we call it a monster concert and we'd have a great big potluck. And there was no stress stuffy recital, it was just a great big party because more than anything, my husband and I believe very strongly about bringing families together and having family activities to do.
J: I love it; family activities are the best, for sure.
K: Yeah, yeah, perfect. In the summer, we actually turn our corn patch into a capture the flag corn patch and neighbors come and we play capture the flag; it's super fun.
J: Ah! In a cornfield; I can't even imagine.
J: So do you do it while the corn’s still tall and green?
K: Yeah, it's really, really fun.
J: Wow, what a good idea; oh I love that. (Laughs)
K: We play hide-and-seek in the weeds; hide-and-seek in the weeds and we play on grain bins and race each other up and down. It's… yeah, it's just good farm fun.
J: Ah, I love this. Well, Katie, you sound like you live an amazing life out there in Nebraska… North Dakota (not Nebraska).
K: We are a NDSU Go Bison family, yeah.
J: (Laughs). Well, Katie, tell us about something you're currently struggling with?
K: Angel, I live in Slope County, North Dakota which happens to be the smallest, least densely populated county in the entire nation. So like, we're the same size as Rhode Island, but Rhode Island has a million people, but our county has 800 people So I very much struggle with lonely because like my fuel tank requires people, a new stimulation and interaction And when you live where I do, you have to learn to seek that. So once I became self-aware enough to recognize that my heart needs to be filled with people and filled with interaction and I need new stimulation, I found ways to fuel that without feeling like I have a bad person because I require that. I… I struggled with that for a long time, where now it's like, “No way, that's what juices me.”
K: So whether it's a random thought that I'll send to somebody like in a text or call and pick up the phone, I do things that just randomly stay connected with people often. Whether I just reach out and that requires them usually that they reach back out. And that's fueling me, but I get to fuel their hearts too. And I also do a spring and fall speaking tour which allows me to get off the farm and get out into the world and meet brand new people and see all these great things and then come back home, refueled as a better wife and a more loving mother and a more patient friend. And that's how the ball rolls, that's really how I've learned to grow and improve by having enough self-awareness inside.
J: So in the county of 800 people…
J: Are there things that the women there are doing just for fun with themselves, like a girls night out type experience or… or is it more, everyone's busy on the farm and you only really have the fun when you leave the farm and get out, like you mentioned?
K: You know what? We actually do a pretty very good job because we all spend our energy into the school. So we go to every basketball game, every football game, every baseball game, concerts, our community like rallies around those activities. I'm also a part of a homemakers group and an award-winning women's conference that's held once a year. And just daily interaction with group texts to keep myself comfortable and connected with the other moms of multiples, because our middle 2 children are twins.
K: So all these little niches that we have in a woman's heart because of a complex and all these different circles. And they all interlink, but we have to make sure we keep all those alive, whether you have your faith group that you keep in contact with or your homemakers group, “Who's like the person you turn to when you don't know how to boil a chicken?”
K: Like, “Who is the person to when you're struggling during the busy season on the farm and everybody's long our short nights and the economy is bad?” Like all those different circles all come together and you just want to make sure that that middle circle, whether you're in a small town like me or a big city, make sure that middle circle ties into what is the very most important to you in your life; whether that's relationship with your family or maybe it's that relationship with you and your God and how much you love him. And if that can be in the circle in the middle and all the other circles are coming together, that's what makes a happy, vibrant, beautiful woman.
J: Ooh, that is great advice. That middle circle needs to be your top priority; well, thank you. Well, let's talk about a few of your favorite things. So, first, what's a habit that has really contributed to your success?
K: I need to exercise every morning; it's super important from my mental game to get up and get moving. And that has changed quite a lot in the last 8 months because I had surgery that doesn't allow me to do that. However, I can keep my other favorite personal habit going on, which is my nightly prayer where I… I go to bed early. Like, how most country music songs talk about that mom who's the last one to bed and the first one up; that is not me.
K: Like I need rest. I need my ritual of quiet time and just seeing what I did good in the day and where I fell short and just to really have that time for self-awareness.
J: Mm, that's a great ritual; yeah, I love that.
J: And a favorite easy meal.
K: I love noodles and marinara sauce; super easy. And we’re durum wheat farmers so we're helping the industry; so, yes, delicious and yummy.
J: Perfect. And a favorite kitchen gadget.
K: My Pampered Chef Chopper.
J: Oh, I had that one mentioned on the last episode too, I think, or one of the (Laughs)… Pampered Chef Chopper.
J: Perfect. And a favorite book.
K: I love ‘Daring Greatly: How the Courage to Be Vulnerable Transforms the Way We Live, Love, Parent, and Lead’, and I think that's by Brené Brown.
K: Am I saying her name right?
J: You are. Perfect.
K: Yeah, I love, love that book.
J: I love that one too; Brené’s amazing. And the best advice you've received.
K: I had a young mom once tell me about that adjustment from being at home to when the kids come home, because that can be overwhelming; like it's me versus them, and I have been outnumbered since the day we had twins really. And my… one mom friend taught me, “Kate, those 20 minutes before the kids get home on the bus, I want you to make sure that you take time to sit down and really adjust your mind into becoming a mom so that when they come home, I can just completely embrace them, instead of being halfway into supper or into something I'm doing on the computer or switching laundry; I try not to be there. I try to be right at the front entrance, greeting them with a hug and really sitting down to visit them with a… with what's happened with their day.
J: Wow, that’s a good one.
K: I know.
J: That’s a good one; I’m going to have to work on that.
K: Isn’t that good advice?
J: Ugh, I’m going to have to work on that.
K: Yeah, yeah.
J: My guilt trigger was going off. (Laughs)
K: I know! Once… once you do that, it really allows you like, “Oh, that totally makes sense,” like because then… because it's a hard adjustment; my husband and I call it reentry. And whether… however we're re-entering from, whether it's our career we've been working on at the farm or my speaking or whatever, to re-entering into being a mother. Because the kids come and go from activities or whatever and that is… that's a really hard adjustment that we do so many times a day, but we want to make sure that we can clear… bring that clearer and more narrow so that we can be the very best mom that we can be, because ultimately, that's all I want to do; like that's my life's goal. I just want to be an awesome mom.
J: Yes, me too, me too; to be a… an awesome mom. Well, I'll tell our listeners that they can find links to everything we've been chatting about in today's episode by going to jenriday.com/43; so links to your favorite book and kitchen gadget and all of those things.
K: Oh, fun!
J: Yeah. And… and now, Katie, this is my favorite part, we want to hear your happiness formula; the things that contribute to a happy life, for you.
K: I'm happiest when I allow others into my heart and I surround myself with good people and I listen to God.
J: Ah, you are an extrovert, aren't you?
K: Ah, yes.
J: Allow others into your heart, surround yourself with good people, and listen to God. But you did mention you need that downtime, so you've got that introvert piece of you as well. So…
J: … this is great. And a challenge you'd like to give our listeners.
K: I would love if all of you took a little bit of time to make eye contact with a stranger and make that stranger today with your smile or with just a one little compliment that you can give them, because it will really, really help them feel loved. And if we all feel more loved, when we live loved and we live with the conviction that we are the daughter of a king, we will live so happy and so vibrant and so full of zest.
J: I love that. So having the conviction that we are the daughter of a king and that helps us to live more vibrant and happy lives. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom today. And, Katie, where could people find you if they want to know more about what you're doing in the world?
K: I want them to come to Facebook on my speaking site, it’s called Katie Dilse Speaks. And I try to update things there and on my website at katiedilse.com. And then I got… go crazy on Pinterest because that board has allowed me whether I need to work on filling my void and loneliness, so I need to work on my marriage or parenting is bugging or friendships, I have all these really, really inspiring things on my Pinterest site and it's called Speaking of Fun. So it's super fun to be inspired so that we can all do our best to fill hearts and connect to strangers and encourage each other.
J: So on Pinterest, the username is Speaking of Fun or Katy Dilse?
J: Speaking of fun.
K: I think both of them maybe will get you there, but it looks like Speaking of Fun.
J: Okay. Well, Katie this has been amazing, I love your energy and your vibrant healthy life.
J: And I'm so glad you could be on the show. (Laughs)
K: Aww! Thank you. I hope that everybody will take an effort to like just be part of another person's lives; that's how we fill each other up. Whether it's group text, random thoughts, act on those intuitions that you have to reach out to each other and you will fail other people with love and happiness and that just fills your own heart up.
J: Yes, fill up your own heart by filling another is; perfect. Thank you so much for being on the show, Katie.
K: You’re welcome! Thank you, Jen.
J: Take care!
K: You too.
J: Thank you so much for joining us today. I think Katie is fun, and if she lived closer, I know we would be amazing friends. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. Be sure to join me next time when I talk with Cassie Piasecki who shares how to get on and stay on the Wheel of Wellness in 2017. So if health is one of your New Year's resolutions, you won't want to miss that episode. So I'll see you next week. Take care.
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